Saturday, April 25, 2009

Class #12 post-game

We've had a pretty good discussion the past two classes, but many of you are still underprepared. Please take the weekend to catch up.

Post: Your character's response to the Doing list. Yes or no for each, detailed answers for two of them.

Finish: Hind Swaraj and assigned prefatory material

Kickoff: Wasn't it Christine for the lecture and Monique for the book? Or maybe vice versa.

Email Me: by Wednesday morning, 10 potential book sources and 40-50 potential article sources for your research paper

14 comments:

  1. I had Toni Morrison for the list of things.

    Going to School: yes
    homework: yes
    Working: yes
    Going to the gym: no
    riding a bike: doesn't matter
    walking: yes
    Yoga: yes
    Video Chat: doesn't matter
    talking to people: yes!!!
    listening: yes!!!
    "Becoming and Changing": absolutely.
    Working in/with city government: doesn't matter
    meditation: YES. Toni Morrison believes taht one can find herself in meditation. Through meditation, Pecola finds her true beauty. Her body (much like Descartes) was not present, but the mind was.
    Things I've chosen: yes
    Eating: yes
    Environmental Conservation: yes
    voting: yes
    Lifeguard: yes
    Praying: perhaps. Peccola always prayed for blue eyes. At the end of hte novel, she got them. However, if i remember correctly, Soaphead, a religious character, was portrayed as a bad person that molested children. He writes a sacrilegious letter to God. This could have been Morrison speaking through Soaphead.
    emotions: no
    Smoking/drinking alcohol: No. Cholly was the reason for her stance against alcohol.
    listening to music: yes
    going to church: perhaps (see praying)
    Video game tech support: yes
    participating in clubs: yes
    Mesa Court Council: yes
    What I am told to do: yes
    Charity Foundation: yes
    Giving advice: yes
    Working to ensure future: yes
    Nothing: no
    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: yes
    Writing poetry: yes
    Writing a diary: yes
    Writing: yes
    Reading: yes
    Hosting prospective college students: yes
    Hanging out with friends: yes
    Facebook: yes
    Volunteering: yes

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  2. I had Shakespeare...
    Going to School: yes
    homework: yes
    Working: yes
    Going to the gym: no
    riding a bike: irrelevant
    walking: yes
    Yoga: yes
    Video Chat: no
    talking to people: no
    listening: yes
    "Becoming and Changing": yes.
    Working in/with city government: yes
    meditation: yes
    Things I've chosen: yes
    Eating: no
    Environmental Conservation: Yes and no. Shakespeare was hardly an environmentalist but a lot of the motifs for his plays had to do with what was natural versus what was not natural. In Macbeth, he presents this image of horses eating each other to foreshadow the grim and unnatural things to come in the play.
    voting: No, Shakespeare did not believe that everyone in society was equal and merited the ability to choose what the higher-up people in government should do.
    Lifeguard: mmm... no.
    Praying: Yes.
    emotions: YESYESYES. He was a dramatist, what do you expect?
    Smoking/drinking alcohol: this one is difficult. there are many people in his plays who commit stupid crimes under the influence of alcohol, however this may or may not demonstrate whether Shakespeare himself was opposed to it.
    listening to music: yes
    going to church: yes, i think he was Catholic when it was against the law or something..
    Video game tech support: no
    participating in clubs: no
    Mesa Court Council: maybe. probably not though.
    What I am told to do: Yes and no. Shakespeare was somewhat of a rebel with his writings as far as pushing limits and using dirty jokes and all of that. However, he did it pretty sneakily and was still working for the Man. I.e.: the British upper class and nobility
    Charity Foundation: yes
    Giving advice: yes
    Working to ensure future: yes
    Nothing: no
    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: no
    Writing poetry: Definitely
    Writing a diary: Maybe? Shakespeare was a fairly private person, but he did write a lot. He just preferred to not write about himself.
    Writing: yes
    Reading: yes
    Hosting prospective college students: yes.
    Hanging out with friends: no.
    Facebook: no, Shakespeare definitely would not be down with this huge invasion of privacy that Facebook creates. What would his status be? "Will Shakespeare is writing Hamlet. FML"?
    Volunteering: no

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  3. Ghandi #2
    Going to School: no
    homework: no

    Working: depends, if you are working at something that you truly believe in.

    Going to the gym: depends, going to the gym is also a way to improve the body, which is a central point for Ghandi. However, the modern sense of going to the gym is for the purpose of vanity and not necessarily for the purpose of health. So if u go to the gym to have your mind and body cleansed then continue, but if you’re going to fit into that new dress that you just bought then your mind is still focused on the material world.

    riding a bike: no
    walking: no
    Yoga: yes
    Video Chat: no
    talking to people: yes
    listening: yes

    "Becoming and Changing": yes, Ghandi is all for self improvement and

    Working in/with city government: no
    meditation: yes
    Eating: depends

    Environmental Conservation: Yes, I think environmental conservation is also a way for conserving the past times.

    voting: No

    Lifeguard: Yes, lifeguarding is a job that protects the community. In other words it contributes to the community’s safety. As long as you are not using any modern equipment for the job.

    Praying: Yes.
    emotions: Yes
    listening to music: yes

    going to church: yes; mind, body, and soul are interconnected and as thus you need to protect the spirit and go to church.

    Video game tech support: No

    participating in clubs: yes, being involved in the community and bringing people together as long as the club is offered for all and does not pertain to modern activities. Such as the video game club is out, but culture club is good.

    Mesa Court Council: no; it is part of the established government, even though it brings people in the community together it follows the cogs and modern government.

    Charity Foundation: yes
    Giving advice: yes
    Working to ensure future: yes
    Nothing: no
    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: no
    Writing poetry: maybe
    Writing a diary: Yes
    Writing: depends

    Reading: maybe, reading can lead to researching and researching is part of the modern association of schooling. Here Ghandi doesn’t want people to be complete idiots he just doesn’t want them to fall into line with modern day thinkers.

    Hosting prospective college students: no
    Hanging out with friends: yes
    Facebook: no
    Volunteering: yes

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  4. Jane Austen's Views on Doing

    Going to School: Yes, if it is to better and educate yourself, especially if you are a girl and are trying to change stereotypes about who can write.

    Homework: Yes, see above.

    Working: Yes, especially if it makes a statement about how not all women are weak.

    Going to the Gym: No.

    Riding a Bike: No.

    Walking: No, this is too similar to the things that "normal," weak women did (in Jane Austen's view).

    Yoga: No.

    Video Chat: Yes, if it expresses views with other people.

    Talking to People: Definitely, if it exchanges ideas that will change the perception of women.

    Listening: Yes, as this helps change perceptions.

    "Becoming and Changing": Yes. This helps erase stereotypes as "changing" seems to include stepping out of the norms that society has built for you. Being different was especially important for Austen.

    Working in/with City Government: Yes.

    Meditation: No.

    Things I've Chosen: Yes, as long as they have an impact on people besides just yourself.

    Eating: No.

    Environmental Conservation: No... this is rather irrelevant to Austen's time period.

    Voting: Yes. This makes a statement about women and their position in society.

    Lifeguard: Maybe... if this shows that women can step out of their traditional, weak boundaries set by men.

    Praying: No.

    Emotions: Yes, if you can control them (especially if you are a woman). She wanted to show that women were more than weak creatures that were subject to their turbulent emotions.

    Sleeping/Dreaming: No, this doesn't incite change.

    Not Smoking/Drinking Alcohol: No, this is irrelevant, really.

    Listening to Music: No.

    Going to Church: No.

    Video Game Tech Support: No.

    Participating in a Club (of Different Sorts): Yes, this can help bring change in different aspects of life, though this is a more direct route than Austen herself would have chosen.

    Mesa Court Council: Yes, see above. Austen just chose to change her world by challenging stereotypes with her writing, not outright with political-type actions.

    "Don't Believe Everything I Think": I... guess? If this refers to not accepting everything that is seen as normal, an daring to challenge it.

    Going with the Flow: No - change is good!

    "What I'm Told to Do": No, see above.

    "My Doing Has Purpose": Yes, having a purpose will help direct doing to produce outcomes that better society.

    Started Charity Foundation: Yes.

    Giving Advice: Yes, if it helps change views.

    "Working Hard to Ensure a Good Future for Myself": Yes, sort of. Austen worked hard to ensure a good future for women, but not necessarily herself.

    Nothing: No.

    Nagging Friends About Recycling/Animal Rights: Sure, it will help promote change.

    Writing Poetry (that only a few people read): Yes, it's creative and can help alter views if it is about something important.

    Writing stories (that no one reads): No - people need to read it for it to be effective.

    Writing a Diary: No, see above. Though maybe if it's found after death and influences future life, I suppose.

    Writing: Yes, for sure! Why do you think she wrote all of her books? :)

    Reading: Yes, this can help educate, which can lead to works of your own.

    Hosting Prospective College Students: No.

    Hanging Out with Friends: Yes, if you discuss things with them and change their stereotypical views.

    Facebook: No.

    Volunteering With Make-A-Wish: yes, this can change people!

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  5. Socrates

    Going to school: Yes
    Homework: No
    Working: No
    Going to the Gym: No
    Riding a Bike: No
    Walking: No
    Yoga: No
    Video Chat: Yes. Socrates was a big fan of communication between two people. That is he would only support this means of communication of the two people video chatting if they were learning through talking.
    Talking to People: YES
    Listening: Yes
    "Becoming and Changing": Yes, but it depends on how you are changing. Are you attaning better or thruthful knowledge?
    Working in/with city governemnt: Yes
    Meditation: Yes
    Things I've Chosen: NO
    Eating: No
    Environmental Conversation: Yes
    Voting: NO. Socrates was a person who, at this time, believed too many people were ignorant and thus could not pick the best choice. He believed only the best and intelligent people would take the best actions for the government.
    Lifeguard: No
    Praying: No
    Emotions: No
    Sleeping/Dreaming: No
    Not Smoking/Not drinking: NO
    Listen to Music: No
    Going to Church: No
    Video Game Tester: No
    Participating in Club:
    - Car enthusiasts: No
    - Filipino culture: No
    - Chemistry: Yes
    Mesa Court Council: Yes
    "Don't believe everthing I think": Yes
    Going with the flow: No
    "What I'm told to do": No
    "My doing has purpose": No. Does it really?
    Started Charity: Yes
    Giving Advice: No if you are ignorant. Yes if you are knowledgably equipped.
    "Working hard to ensure a future for myself": Depends on what you are doing, but most likely no.
    Nothing: No
    Nagging friends about recycling and animal rights: Yes
    Writing Poetry: No
    Writing Stories: NO
    Writing a diary: No
    Writing: Yes, depends on what you are writing about.
    Reading: Depemds. Are you getting new ideas and knowledge?
    Hosting prospective college students: No
    Hanging out with friends: If it is a symposium, yes.
    Facebook: No
    Volunteering with Make-a-Wish: Yes

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  6. JANE JACOBS

    Going to School: yes
    homework: no
    Working: yes
    Going to the gym: yes
    riding a bike: yes
    walking: yes. Jacobs was all for wakling. Walking allowed social interaction on the sidewalks and social interactions created a busy neighborhood that encouraged everyone to look out for one another.
    Yoga: yes
    Video Chat: no
    talking to people: yes
    listening: yes
    "Becoming and Changing": no?
    Working in/with city government: kinda. Jacobs used an example where she compared the help of a city worker to that of a neighbor. The blue-gloved helo from the government is not as personal and informative than that of a nieghborhood. That is why Jacobs felt that with neighborhoods kept as they were, the need for institutionalzed city buildings as a new hangout spot was not as effective as the sidewalks.
    meditation: yes, in the park
    Things I've chosen: no
    Eating: yes- form of socializing
    Environmental Conservation: kinda
    voting: no
    Lifeguard: yes
    Praying: yes
    emotions: no
    Smoking/drinking alcohol: no
    listening to music: no
    going to church: yes
    Video game tech support: no
    participating in clubs: yes
    Mesa Court Council: yes
    What I am told to do: yes
    Charity Foundation: no
    Giving advice: yes
    Working to ensure future: no
    Nothing: no
    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: no
    Writing poetry: no
    Writing a diary: no
    Writing: no
    Reading: no
    Hosting prospective college students: yes
    Hanging out with friends: yes.
    Facebook: no
    Volunteering with Make-a-Wish:yes

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  7. Going to school: Yes, Alberti was well educated in many fields and thought that science and math were the basics to art. Alberti believed that these being educated and taught in all of these subjects was essential to the craft.
    Homework: Yes
    Working: yes
    Going to the Gym: yes, believed in beauty and proportionality so going to the gym would help achieve that in yourself
    Riding a Bike: " "
    Walking: (and observing) yes
    Yoga: yes probably, observation and connection with nature
    Video Chat: Probably not.
    Talking to People: yes
    Listening: Yes
    "Becoming and Changing": yes
    Working in/with city government: yes?
    Meditation: similar to yoga
    Things I've Chosen: yes
    Eating: ?
    Environmental Conversation: Yes, believed that observe nature and centered around what you should paint
    Voting: yes
    Lifeguard: no
    Praying: yes
    Emotions: yes, represent them faithfully in painting
    Sleeping/Dreaming:no
    Not Smoking/Not drinking: no
    Listen to Music: no
    Going to Church: no?
    Video Game Tester: No
    Participating in Club:yes
    - Chemistry: yes
    Mesa Court Council: yes
    "Don't believe everthing I think": no
    Going with the flow: yes?
    "What I'm told to do": no
    "My doing has purpose":yes
    Started Charity:yes
    Giving Advice: yes
    "Working hard to ensure a future for myself":yes, believed that with hard work and studying could gain glory
    Nothing: No
    Nagging friends about recycling and animal rights: maybe
    Writing Poetry: yes
    Writing Stories: yes
    Writing a diary: yes
    Writing: yes
    Reading: yes
    Hosting prospective college students: yes
    Hanging out with friends: yes
    Facebook: no, he was apart of the Italian Renaissance/not an aspect of beauty or did not involve contact directly (he believed in talking and learning from others, he was himself in writing "On Painting" writing to his friends)
    Volunteering with Make-a-Wish: yes

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  8. George Gershwin

    Going to school: yes
    Homework: yes
    Working: yes
    Going to the gym: yes
    Riding a bike: yes
    Walking: yes
    Yoga: (males and yoga?) no[?]

    Video Chat: no (He put so much effort in experiencing Harlem and South Carolina to research Negro culture, including attending churches and visiting homes, that dormant video chatting probably would seem inauthentic and un-doing-like)

    Talking to people: yes
    Listening: yes
    "Becoming and changing": yes
    Working in/with city govt: yes

    Meditation: (kind of have the same feelings as with yoga...as a form of doing? probably not)

    Things I've chosen: yes
    Eating: yes
    Environmental conservation: yes
    Voting: yes
    Lifeguard: yes

    Praying: yes (acc. to Catfish Row which would rather pray for healing than send Bess to a hospital)

    Emotions: yes (Gershwin's emotion filled music certainly "did" something)

    Sleeping/Dreaming: (as doing? practically I think he'd say no)
    Not smoking/drinking alcohol: no
    Listening to music: yes
    Going to church: yes
    Video games tech. support: no
    Participating in club (import car enthusiasts): yes
    PIC (filipino culture): yes
    PIC (chemistry): no
    Mesa Court Council: yes
    "Don't believe everything I think": no
    Going with the flow: no
    "What I'm told to do": no
    "My doing has purpose": yes
    Started charity foun. that ships books to PI: yes
    Giving advice: yes
    Working hard to ensure a good future: yes
    Nothing: no
    Nagging friends about recycling and animal rights: no
    Writing poetry (that only a few people read): yes
    Writing stories (that no one reads): yes
    Writing a diary: yes
    Writing (unspecified): yes
    Reading: yes
    Hosting prospective college students: yes
    Hanging out with friends ( Harlem friends, speaking strictly of Porgy and Bess): yes
    Facebook: no
    Volunteering with Make-a-Wish: yes

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  9. I had Descartes. Ummm, this was the best I could do haha it was kind of hard. Let me know if you think differentlyyyy! :)

    _______________________________

    Going to School: yes because Descartes believes in dualism, and going to school would advance the mind, which he considered separate from the body

    Homework: yes

    Working: yes

    Going to the gym: no, because our body might be tricking us and our outside perceptions can be manipulated

    Riding a bike: good for the body!

    Walking: yes

    Yoga: yes, because it enhances spiritual thinking

    Video Chat: no, other people may not be real

    Talking to people: see above; but he might have approved of philosophical discussions

    Listening: to other people’s intellectual thoughts, yes

    "Becoming and Changing": yes but essentially we are all the same form; wax example

    Working in/with city government: I don’t think he cares

    Meditation: yes, because it enhances spiritual thinking

    Things I've chosen: yes, because you had to have chosen with thought

    Eating: if it feeds your mind

    Environmental Conservation: I don’t think he cares

    Voting: possibly not

    Lifeguard: probably not

    Praying: for the souuul!

    Emotions: no, emotions can be doubted and manipulated just like your senses

    Smoking/drinking alcohol: no, bad for body and mind

    Listening to music: maybe

    Going to church: he might have believed you could have religious connections without actually going to church

    Video game tech support: no

    Participating in clubs: no

    Mesa Court Council: no

    What I am told to do: if it’s yourself telling yourself what to do

    Charity Foundation: helping others could be healthy for your soul

    Giving advice: see above

    Working to ensure a good future: yes

    Nothing: no

    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: no

    Writing poetry: yes

    Writing a diary: yes

    Writing: yes

    Reading: yes

    Hosting prospective college students: no

    Hanging out with friends: no

    Facebook: no

    Volunteering: no

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  10. 20th Century Communist

    Going to School: yes
    homework: yes
    Working: yes, however, there is no division of classes, which means that the worker would not be able to advance; everyone would work for the same wage.
    Going to the gym: no
    riding a bike: no
    walking: yes
    Yoga: no
    Video Chat: no
    talking to people: yes
    listening: yes
    "Becoming and Changing": No.
    Working in/with city government: No. Within a communist nation, there would be no governments or class divisions. The people would work with each other and live in a free society with no private ownership.
    meditation: No
    Things I've chosen: yes
    Eating: yes
    Environmental Conservation: no
    voting: no, because their is no separate sanctions of government.
    Lifeguard: yes
    Praying: religion and faith was trying to be eliminated.
    emotions: yes
    Smoking/drinking alcohol: No.
    listening to music: yes, but only to a certain extent. Artists were limited by the subject matter of their songs. The songs must have had the purpose of glorifying the state, the workers, and their achievements within agriculture and the working industry.
    going to church: no. Communists were trying to eliminate religion and replace it with communism ideologies.
    Video game tech support: no
    participating in clubs: yes
    Mesa Court Council: yes
    What I am told to do: yes. The communist government suppressed the people by monitoring everything from what kind of music they listened to to what they should or should not believe in.
    Charity Foundation: no
    Giving advice: yes
    Working to ensure future: no. No one had a chance to advance in the corporate world because everyone got paid the same amount, despite the level of difficulty or commitment to their job.
    Nothing: no
    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: no
    Writing poetry: yes
    Writing a diary: yes
    Writing: yes
    Reading: yes
    Hosting prospective college students: no
    Hanging out with friends: maybe
    Facebook: no
    Volunteering: no

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  11. Sophocles


    Going to School: Yes- as a writer/playwright/dramatist he must have been educated

    homework: Yes- i think hw is part of a process that can enrich your learning so connecting with education yes

    Working: yes - he competed in many competitions where he mostly won 1st place and (i think) received monetary rewards so i think it was his form of working

    Going to the gym: yes - Greeks cared about their bodies

    riding a bike: yes - form of exercise

    walking: yes

    Yoga: no

    Video Chat: no

    talking to people: yes - greeks were very social people

    listening: yes

    "Becoming and Changing": yes

    Working in/with city government: yes

    meditation: no

    Things I've chosen: yes - i think during Sophocles' time the explosion of knowledge/creativity encouraged choice

    Eating: yes -social interactions

    Environmental Conservation: no

    voting: yes - government involvement was important the Greeks

    Lifeguard: no

    Praying: yes

    emotions: yes - his plays required it

    Smoking/drinking alcohol: yes - social interaction

    listening to music: yes - part of his plays

    going to church: no

    Video game tech support: no

    participating in clubs: yes

    Mesa Court Council: yes - form of government

    What I am told to do: no

    Charity Foundation: no

    Giving advice: yes - maybe connecting with listening

    Working to ensure future: yes

    Nothing: no

    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: no

    Writing poetry: yes

    Writing a diary: yes

    Writing: ABSOLUTELY

    Reading: yes

    Hosting prospective college students: yes

    Hanging out with friends: yes - being social

    Facebook: no

    Volunteering with Make-a-Wish:no

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  12. ARISTOTLE
    Going to school- yes
    Homework- yes
    Working- yes
    Going to the gym- yes
    Riding a bike- yes
    Walking- yes
    Yoga- yes
    Video chat- no or yes
    Talking to people- yes
    Listening- yes
    “Becoming and changing”- yes
    Working in/with city government- yes
    Meditation- yes
    Things I’ve chosen- yes
    Eating- yes
    Environmental conservation- yes
    Voting- yes
    Lifeguard- yes
    Praying- yes
    Emotions- no, if they are extreme. Aristotle said that everything should be in moderation. He didn’t want an excess or deficit of something, but to choose in between. People shouldn’t be excessively mad or excessively happy, according to Aristotle.
    Sleeping/dreaming- yes
    Not smoking/not drinking alcohol- yes
    Listening to music- yes
    Going to church- yes
    Video game tech. support- yes
    Participating in clubs- yes
    Mesa court council- yes
    “Don’t believe everything I think”- yes
    Going with the flow- no; Aristotle believed people had the responsibility to live virtuously and morally, knowing what is right and choosing it so if everyone in a situation is doing something wrong, it would be wrong to go with the flow and not doing the right thing.
    “What I’m told to do”- no or yes depending on who told you
    “My doing has purpose”- yes
    Charity- yes
    “Working hard to ensure a good future for myself”- yes
    Nothing- no
    Nagging friends about recycling and animal rights- yes
    Writing poetry- yes
    Writing stories- yes
    Writing a diary- yes
    Reading- yes
    Hosting prospective college students- yes
    Hanging out with friends- yes
    Facebook- no or yes
    Volunteering with Make-A-Wish- yes

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  13. Ismene

    Going to School: no, I say this because it seems as if it wouldn’t be my place to be going to school.
    homework: No
    Working: No
    Going to the gym: no
    riding a bike: no
    walking: yes
    Yoga: no
    Video Chat: no
    talking to people: yes
    listening: yes, definitely, I believe that doing what I’m told to do is very important, I should always obey the rules and listen to other people, even if it is just listening to what they have to say because that’s my place in this world; I should do what is expected of me and listen.
    "Becoming and Changing": No.
    Working in/with city government: No
    meditation: No
    Things I've chosen: No
    Eating: yes
    Environmental Conservation: no
    voting: No
    Lifeguard: Yes, but only if I needed to do it to save someone important’s life
    Praying: yes, this is something important that we should do
    emotions: yes
    Smoking/drinking alcohol: No.
    listening to music: No
    going to church: Yes, it goes along with praying
    Video game tech support: no
    participating in clubs: no
    Mesa Court Council: no
    What I am told to do: YES
    Charity Foundation: no
    Giving advice: yes, but only if it isn’t too political
    Working to ensure future:No
    Nothing: no
    Nagging about recycling and animal rights: no
    Writing poetry: no
    Writing a diary: no
    Writing: no, and yes ( it’s a maybe)
    Reading: no, and yes (this is a maybe also) but its leaning towards a no
    Hosting prospective college students: no
    Hanging out with friends: maybe
    Facebook: no
    Volunteering: no

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  14. re: Morrison, I strongly disagree about Pecola, in the sense that I think her meditation took her further away from herself... the author seems to see selves as embodied, so as much as we sympathize with Pecola's need to escape or transcend her tragic life, the suffering of her body, etc. the solution can't come through that Cartesian separation, right? Wasn't that the problem with the bluest eye anyhow... that it made a spiritual principle of a certain body rather than a bodily principle of a certain spirit (which sounds like a certain religion that may be pertinent to African-American history... is Pecola a Christ figure?

    re: Austen, reading Annie's comments I was reminded of this:

    http://www.much-ado.net/austenbook/

    re: Socrates, I agree that videochat is perfect for the Socratic form of philosophical dialectic because it allows you to abstract ideas from physically present bodies... although in this sense I wonder if he would have liked the telephone better

    re: Alberti, I do wonder about the conservation element... it seems to me like the kind of geometrization (?) of the natural world he talks about, like Descartes' geometrization (Cartesian plane anyone?) might have the tendency to render nature objective in the way that permits its modern manipulation as mere object

    re: Gershwin... I just wanted to point out Roselaine's comments about emotion... I definitely agree, and this was one of the reasons that more classically-minded critics didn't like the jazz influence in G's works

    re: Communists, "working to ensure the future"... I guess it depends which future you're talking about... as a Hegelian thinker, Marx sees history in phases and happens to think capitalism will soon be a phase of the past... so I guess Communists follow him in working to secure the future... a Communist future, that is.

    re: Sophocles, the one that catches my eye is working with city government... in the Athenian democracy, all the propertied men are part of the city government... the government is the same as "the people," in other words there's nothing that ISN'T the government (except, uh, women and those who didn't hold property)

    re: Aristotle going with the flow... I think you're right, as the Gandhi answers for this were also right, because both believe that it falls to humans to ethically order their lives... humans have a unique capacity for choice/commitment, etc. That said, Aristotle and Gandhi (in somewhat different ways) do believe in a flow, or an organic order to things, to which humans must harmonize themselves. Indeed this is a fundamental difference G is pointing out between "ancient" and "modern"... the one is organic, the other is not.

    re: Ismene... there are a couple of Ismene defenders in this class, and I would think any strong defense of her would build on this concept of her listening ability (on the other hand, Gandhi might compare A and I as "tough" passive resistance and "weak" passive resistance)

    GOOD JOB WITH THESE ANSWERS

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